Focus on Commitment and Take Control — Interview with Dr Audrey Schnell

Dr Audrey Schnell Ph.D, Founder of The Emotionally Resilient Entrepreneur

My guest on Mental Wealth For Entrepreneurs Podcast #9 is Dr. Audrey Schnell. Audrey uses the knowledge gained from her advanced degrees in psychology and statistics to help her clients end self sabotage, so they can stop derailing themselves, master their emotions and reach their goals. She helps people see the blind spots that are costing them money and eliminate emotional triggers so they can reach their potential, create long-term client relationships and even turn difficult clients into success stores.

Dr Audrey Schnell as been a featured speaker at retreats, been a valued guest on numerous industry podcasts and founded 2 successful online summits that featured over 20 top-flight experts from the world of healing and emotional intelligence.

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Show notes

Katerina: Hi Audrey.

Audrey: Thank you for the opportunity. Great to speak to you today.

Katerina: Yeah, okay, you are… you have a different background from from the ladies I’ve interviewed so far, you actually have advanced degrees… actually two advanced degrees.

Audrey: That’s true. I have a master’s in Clinical Psychology so I started out as a psychotherapist and moved more into research and have a PhD in Epidemiology Biostatistics which actually kind of makes me very popular right now with the Covid virus… brings out a little different piece of my background, and I’m an emotional intelligence coach.

Katerina: Okay. So, are you still doing… are you still engaged with academia, you’re still teaching?

Audrey: Yes, I do… I still do teaching and research, and psychology. Yeah, so yeah I got several hats, which makes life very interesting never boring…

Katerina: But at the same time you are you an entrepreneur.

Audrey: Yes. Yes, I’m a consultant, and I still have some ties to academia, but mostly a solo entrepreneur and consultant.

Katerina: Yeah, how long you’ve been doing this online summit?

Audrey: Oh, gosh, at least five years, and possibly even longer but about five years.

Katerina: Where did you get their idea for doing these summits.

Audrey: Gosh, that’s a great question. I’m not even sure, I think from following other people and getting... I love interviewing and being interviewed I’m still a people person. And so it just seemed like a natural fit. So, yeah, I’m not even sure how I really launched into it, it was just one of those things. Luckily I fell into.

Katerina: Yeah, because today with COVID-19 situation everyone is moving towards using these virtual summits and pivoting their business models.

Audrey: Yeah. Luckily or unluckily I’ve always, I’ve worked remotely probably for the last… gosh 14 years, so this this part of it, the day to day life has not changed very much for me. Thankfully, I’m used to it. And was set up for.

Katerina: Yeah. So when you just started it, where did you get information about how to organise one?

Audrey: Reaching out for support, watching other people do it, not being afraid to ask for help and advice, turning to experts who could guide me. So I think the big thing is you know, don’t be afraid to ask and don’t wait till you have it perfect or you’ll never do it.

Katerina: Right. Are you planning to have another summit in the future?

Audrey: Yes, in July. In July, I’ll be part of another master class, we’re just putting together now with some, some other coaches and my coaches.

Katerina: Yeah, so your audience for the for the summit?

Audrey: I would say people focused on self growth and health. Both spiritually, physically and emotionally, and it’s going to be a big… Ithink adjustment for many many many people when the world open… opens up again. We will have to hopefully forge a new normal. And I think people will be experiencing some trauma, possibly grief. We’ve all lost. Sadly, we’ve lost family we’ve lost friends we’ve lost our old way of life. I think there’ll be disappointment that people will have to deal with I know… you know personally we cancelled vacations for the summer, we won’t be seeing people that we were scheduled to see. I was supposed to go see my brother in Florida, that’s not going to happen now. So I think people will be experiencing a lot of grief that we need to come together and learn how to navigate, deal with and navigate, come out on the other side.

Katerina: So how do you personally. How do you personally manage uncertainty and anxiety about uncertainty.

Audrey: I think I focus, and I help people focus on the things we can control — our schedule or goals, or vision. I think the thing I think people struggle with the most that I see and myself included, is focusing not not getting letting fear freeze you, because when it freezes you you get further away from your goals, and what you want to be and who you want to be and then you’re faced with regret, or … more disappointment. So I think the biggest thing is to be able to recognise when you need help when you need support. We’re all smart successful people so we have a tendency to just say, I’m okay. I can do this, especially now with the distancing not getting the support that we need. So I focus, and I help people focus on, you know, even if it’s just taking small steps towards your bigger goals, so that you feel like you’re still growing and moving forward without pushing so hard that you feel exhausted and you’re not able to… You still want to be able to get comfort and support and use this time creatively and to pull back but not so much that you feel frozen in fear.

Katerina: Because I guess… Today, a lot of people I mean, if they’ve lost their jobs, they, they, in this state of not knowing what to do. We actually looked at some recent job roles with my husband, because he was, he his friend sent him the job description and said you could apply if you want to work a bit closer to home because at the moment he works quite far away, and he kind of... He looked at the website and he said “Look, 200 applications for each job role. So it’s, it’s incredible what’s happening right now so the job market is getting very saturated.

Audrey: Yes.

Katerina: While at the same people are losing their jobs, and many, just don’t know what to do. What can you can you advise to these people.

Audrey: Well, there’s a concrete piece of course, of, you know, the reality of needing a financial support and so for many it’s it’s a wake up call how to be prepared for something like this, we’re never prepared this is sort of a wake up call. And there’s only you know there’s the reality of job hunting, but managing your emotions, while you’re doing this because we’ve got to deal with fear, we’ve got to deal with self doubt and not catastrophizing. We will all survive this. And, and the anxiety is so… I know it sounds simplistic the anxiety is so counterproductive and keeps us from doing what we need to do so as much as we can control and see opportunities here, and we’re all having to pivot especially entrepreneurs who are just like everybody really and trying to see the good and it seems like we get glazed if you focus on the media.

We hear two different messages. One says, hustle hustle hustle hustle hustle if you’re not taking five courses right now and making 600 sales calls a day, you’re not doing your job, and the other voice is saying no, you need to take care of yourself rest don’t push yourself. And we have to find our medium neither extreme .. is probably where we need to be so we have to find what works for us... personally.

Katerina: Yeah, do you think today is the good time to start a new business?

Audrey: I’m not a business coach and I’m certainly no expert on the economy but what I would say is that this is a time to be creative. And to think, you know, not just go I can’t do what I used to do. And, and that’s not a new concept I mean I know many for example, many women who went back into the workforce at 40, 50, 60. And they needed to pivot, you know and they needed to start something new, they needed to be creative, so this isn’t like oh we’ve never had to do this before we’re just having to do it in a much larger scale. So yeah I mean I don’t know you know from an economics, I mean I’m not sure, you know exactly what I don’t think anybody knows what the economics will look like going forward but it’s certainly a time for creativity.

Katerina: Yeas, cos they’ve showed on the news some girl who’s been in employment all her life and she she lost her job because she… she’s one of those coaches that trains athletes and of course now… she kind of… she like “I literally had to go and sign on and get some, you know, benefits, because I just have no no money to support my family” and yet…. so, what is the option for these people who just find themselves in a situation where they just don’t know how, what to do next?

Audrey: Yeah, and I think that it’s good or bad, it reminds us that life can change in an instant, and even more so than our parents or our grandfather’s, a sense of of safety is an illusion because healthy people have, you know, passed away overnight. And people who would never have expected to lose their jobs or be unemployed or get stuck somewhere out of the country suddenly we’re back to realising that things can change literally overnight. And we can either be frozen in fear or we can be as creative and reach out, as we can. Those are the realities and it is scary. It is scary I feel very very fortunate. But still, you know the anxiety creeps in because you just you don’t know you just have to keep moving forward, and focusing on what you can control.

Katerina: Yeah, so personally … How do you deal with anxiety? What is your sort of strategy… how do you relax?

Audrey: Well, we’re all coach what we need. That’s my that’s my philosophy so movement, you know, especially for me who sits in a chair and stares at a computer, most of the day. I make sure I move, not let the emotions get stuck in my body, and continuing to eat well and sleep. I see one of the biggest mistakes that I make and I see in a lot of my clients and friends is, you know, we’re searching for comfort. So what do we do we’re stuck at home, we eat, and it’s easy to say well it doesn’t matter if I eat these cupcakes because the world could end tomorrow.

Meanwhile, not only are we going to adding to our problems because we’re going to have gained 20 pounds by the time this is over, but we’re not able to function at our best when we don’t eat, sleep, relax and move. So, taking up… we’re still our biggest asset. So we have to take care of that asset and be very careful about how we are potentially mismanaging ourselves… you know we’re… I look at it as we’re our boss so we need to take care of our, our asset our way our self employee.

Katerina: Yeah. I agree with you. So in your professional career and your, you know activity… your business life as an emotional emotional intelligence coach. What was the most difficult time in the past? What was the most difficult challenge you had to overcome?

Audrey: I would say, and I’d love to say I’m unique and probably not being unique is a good thing. I would say self doubt is, is really one of the hardest things to overcome. And I know for me, one of the things that helped me the most was realising that I had it backwards. We think we have to feel confident and happy before we do things, and in truth, it’s the reverse. We have to do things and take action in order to build confidence and not give in to that self doubt because we can make up all sorts of stories about I’m not good enough… I shouldn’t be doing this. I’m not going to succeed at this and all that does is keep us from taking the action that will provide the confidence that we need.

You know, and confidence actually is pretty overrated in my book, you know. It’s just like, you know, people talk about my imposter syndrome. I think anytime you do something new that you haven’t done before and you’re learning and growing you’re going to feel like an imposter. So just because you feel like an imposter is not necessarily a bad thing, especially if it’s because you’re doing something you’ve never done before. So, I think the hardest thing is… one of the biggest lessons I have learned is to take action when I don’t want to.

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About the Author:

I help entrepreneurs to build their emotional and business resilience. Throughout my professional life, I helped hundreds of entrepreneurs to launch their businesses following their passion.




Author of Generation AI: The Rise of the Resilient Entrepreneur, Educator, Podcaster @katerinathomas

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